Does the PA Profession Have a 2030 Expiration Date?

Physician assistants (PA) are number #1 in healthcare, so getting a job for an experienced PA should be super simple. Right? Maybe not always. My personal awakening to the looming problems in the physician assistant profession came in 2018. I had always enjoyed an easy time finding a position, and with an upcoming out-of-state move, I expected nothing less. I applied, however, to over 50 PA/NP jobs with few responses.

Many of the jobs required a state license to apply, so I had difficulty making it past computer algorithms and human resource screeners. This was because antiquated legislative laws dictated that I have a supervising physician in order to acquire a state license. In essence, it was an endless cycle wherein I could not apply for a job without a state license, but I couldn’t acquire a state license without a job. As I began to wonder what I was going to do for a job, I realized that physicians and NPs did not have this same mandate. It awakened me to the grave realization that the PA profession was not competitive in my new environment. 

Exit… Stage Left

I eventually decided that if I couldn’t readily get a job as a PA, I would need to maneuver into another profession. Nurse practitioners (NP) and physicians have professions that are flexible enough that they can readily pivot into other professional roles, such as education, research, pharmaceuticals, medical malpractice expert, and medical writer. Although PAs can be found in all of these roles as well, there are relatively few PAs, in both number and percentage, that leave clinical practice in comparison to nurses and physicians.

I personally decided to fall back on teaching at the collegiate level-something I had been doing on the side for the past decade. Even in academia and with my experience, I had difficulty finding an academic placement due to the relative lack of PA schools in my metropolitan area. As I was forced to compete for general biology undergraduate positions, my stiff competition was likely from masters-level high school biology teachers.

Generalizing the Generalist

In general, PAs are excellently trained to provide competent, exceptional care to the most vulnerable and fragile in our society. Healthcare employers, however, have difficulty fully understanding a PA’s capabilities, so it is little surprise that the larger populace has no working construct for the PA. As a result of all this, I came face to face with the challenges of being able to pivot into other roles. I had difficulty transitioning into academics, recruiters for clinical research told me that PAs were too risky for their market clientele, and administration wouldn’t consider my underwhelming administrative working experience and education. My training in clinical medicine was excellent, but it did not equip me for job mobility. Unfortunately, I fear PAs will increasingly try to row this same proverbial boat when clinical PA positions become increasingly scarce.

Roughly half of PAs have been in practice for seven years, meaning that a majority of the profession has substantial student loans and a long career ahead. There is dire news for PAs that fall into this category. Our profession may not last long enough to pay-off those substantial loans, much less last the entirety of their professional career. There are a few reasons why our profession may be headed for rough days.

APP Jobs will be dominated by NPs

Consistent with nurse practitioners’ objectives of “meeting the existing and future primary care needs of our nation”, all sectors of healthcare will be dominated, if not completely run, by nurses and nurse practitioners within ten years. As a little background; nurse practitioner numbers were projected to increase a staggering 130% between 2008 and 2024, with a projected NP workforce of 198,000 by 2024. There is projected to be a surplus of primary care nurse practitioners by 2025, with 13 states boasting an oversupply of primary care NPs by 2025. A 2015 Monthly Labor Review article goes on to state that registered nurses and nurse practitioners “are projected to add the newest jobs and grow the fastest” from 2014 to 2024.

The projected nurse practitioner numbers were wrong, as there are already more than 290,000 nurse practitioners in 2020. In comparison, the PA profession is expected to increase by 72% by 2025. The increase in primary care PA supply is also projected to exceed demand by 2025 but to a lesser extent. With full practice authority for NPs, the squeeze for jobs will be much harder felt for PAs than NPs. This is because it is cheaper and easier to hire an unrestricted NP than it is to hire a PA plus a supervising physician. There is then the added administrative work of finding a physician to supervise a PA hire. 

Legislative Restrictions Will Limit PAs

In addition to the NP surplus problem for the PA workforce will be the administrative disparities between NPs and PAs. NPs have full practice authority in 24 states and are legislatively close to achieving it in an additional 16 states.  Much has been said about training and educational comparisons between the three types of providers, but in the end, this is just a distraction from the numerous studies showing the most important issue of outcomes, for which the professions are similar. The truth is that healthcare employers hire nurse practitioners and PAs because of their financial appeal.

Healthcare is a Business

Who is “best” for the job is, and has always been, financially driven. The most cost-effective, least burdensome provider will win. When physicians largely ran medicine, burdens of supervision, malpractice risk, and administrative issues were par for the course, as NPs and PAs provided competent care, increased revenue profits, and had a similar scope of practice. Now that physicians are no longer making a majority of the financial decisions for healthcare, they likely don’t want to be saddled with these burdens. Administrators arguably don’t want the burden either. In essence, PAs maintain financial appeal but are increasingly less desirable than our legislatively unrestricted NPs. The following NP perspective is acutely accurate.  

“PAs are not allowed to practice independently of the physician, but an NP may have authority to diagnose, treat, and prescribe without physician supervision. Thus, when NP [scope of practice] SOP is broader, NP capabilities are closer to those of a physician and PA capabilities are more limited when compared to an NP’s.”

When given a choice, the unrestricted provider will always be a more desirable hire. 

NPs Will Shift into Surgery and Specialties

PAs’ footprint in primary care is already shrinking and this shrinkage will likely seep into all specialties over the next ten years. Likely, this is due to two main issues. First, the primary care surplus NP issue likely pushes restricted PAs and expensive physicians out of the primary care marketplace. Second, PAs have legislatively mandated tethers to physicians. Simply stated, even if NP oversupply wasn’t an issue, lack of supervising physicians in primary care inadvertently forces tethered PAs into the specialties where physicians are located.

Once oversupply in primary care becomes problematic for NPs, they will likely work to increase job opportunities for their profession via certifications, legislation, and advocacy. A realistic projection is that once NPs have dominated the primary care sector by 2025 and oversupply becomes a problem, unrestricted NPs will spread into surgical and specialty positions via an RNFA certificate, further reducing the PA footprint. A 2018 study showing that employment of specialty NPs grew at a 13% faster rate than the employment of PAs from 2008 to 2016 leads credence to this. By this, NPs will bleed into specialties and continue to push out PAs from their already marginalized areas of practice, and they will do it with an unrestricted license. This will further decrease the PA footprint in medicine. 

New Frontiers for Physicians

Telemedicine is another nail in the PA professional coffin.  Physicians have an Interstate Medical Licensure Compact system, which makes it significantly easier to obtain licenses in multiple states. Adding this to their unrestricted licenses, physicians are currently seeing a boom in telemedicine jobs. NPs and PAs do not have this compact. However, NPs do have a Nurse Licensure Compact and are working to expand this for their NP counterparts. Without such compacts, the wait time and difficulty in acquiring multiple licenses are costly and time-consuming.

For PAs, the requirement for physician licenses and physician supervision costs must be added to this administrative licensure headache. The logical outcome is that PAs are not desirable candidates for telemedicine. Considering the explosion of telemedicine with the pandemic and its projected exponential growth over the next ten years, the financial incentive to hire an NP, their independence in about half of the states, and the developing NP multistate licensure compact, PAs will have increasing difficulty finding work in telemedicine. 

Physician Assistants vs Assistant Physicians

Perhaps the final blow for the PA profession will be from unmatched international medical school graduates (IMG). Every year, thousands of medical school graduates (mostly foreign) are unable to place in US residencies. These graduates have created a niche license known as the assistant physician (AP). Just as the name is similar to physician assistants, these assistant physicians work in much the same way. APs must have a collaborative agreement with a licensed physician and have varying degrees of physician delegation based on the state and terms with the collaborating physician.

Missouri passed legislation allowing for these IMGs to practice back in 2014. Since then, Arkansas, Kansas, and Utah have allowed some form of license for these graduates despite troubling USMLE scores from this group of poor residency candidates. They are considered physician assistants for reimbursement purposes but don’t need to have passed the Physician Assistant National Certifying Exam (PANCE), need a named collaborating physician, or need to list their practice type. With an average compensation of $48,381 in July of 2019, there are considerable concerns about salary competition with NPs and PAs. 

What Can We Do?

Mindset Shift

Fear is a powerful force. My four-year-old daughter has struggled recently with confidence in swimming. She completed infant-swim-rescue (ISR) training last year and is a capable, albeit inexperienced swimmer. On a recent swimming trip, she would have drowned in a pool for nothing more than her paralyzing fear that she couldn’t do it. PAs are experiencing their own version of drowning. PAs are a proven, capable profession, but many are admittedly afraid physicians will start negative campaigns if PAs ask for legislation that reflects clinical practice. Others are simply afraid of failure.

Most don’t understand that fear is not an inherent problem. However, how individual PAs handle this fear repeatedly will determine our professional fate. Failure to act is still a failure. Failure will occur and is a necessary ingredient for success. The only way to overcome this fear is to develop the winner mindset, with the understanding that failure will occur, can be overcome, is necessary, and is rooted squarely on the path to eventual success.

Overcoming Fear and a Fixed Mindset

For my daughter, overcoming fear meant returning her to an ISR refresher course. For the PA profession, it likely means submitting legislation that may have negative physician reception or pushing for legislation that may initially fail. Are we ready, as a profession, to embrace our upcoming failures on the road to success? Or, more importantly, have PAs yet decided whether they want the PA profession more than their fear of failure?

The biggest issue with professional advancement, in this author’s opinion, is the mindset of pre-PAs, PA students, and early career PAs. As a pre-PA, I was delighted to know that someone else would be ultimately in charge of my care decisions, due to personal fears of failure with someone’s life. These ideas were uneducated. For every patient that a PA encounters without a supervising physician physically present, that PA is providing autonomous care.

PAs are held to the same standard–let’s rise above it.

Any experienced PA could explain that PAs are required to be as competent and capable as their physician counterparts and are held to the same legal standards of care as physicians. This is born out of the legal mandate requiring equal standards of care for physicians, PAs, and NPs. Because we are legally required to be equal in our care standards and research studies show equal care outcomes, we need to as a profession embrace and promote our achievements and abilities.

Support Our Professional Organizations

Own this responsibility. Push for legislation to reflect it. Demand our organizations promote it. The profession started out as someone’s assistant, yes, but it quickly evolved from that role. Recent studies reveal that 76% of PAs currently clinically practice autonomously. It is time to start pushing legislation similar to North Dakota, Minnesota, and Maine. Asking for PA legislation to mirror PA clinical practice is nothing more than asking for the legal authority to do what we are already doing.

Should PAs be restricted with mandated physician oversight? In short, no. If for no other reason than to allow patients better access to competent, capable providers, PAs should not be restricted. All providers should be allowed to work at their fullest capability to provide care for our patients. NPs understand it. Physicians fear it. The US government acknowledges it. It is time for PAs to stop our professional infighting and push for legislation to keep a better pace with our training and professional skills.

From this, it becomes evident that we must modernize our professional views relative to physicians. PAs must continue to clinically collaborate with all healthcare entities. We must stop desiring physician agreement with the PA profession. PAs need to acknowledge that they already provide quality care in the absence of a physical physician presence in the patient’s room. PAs need to take leadership positions and push for legislative advancements that reflect current clinical practice. 

Name Change

This leads to the inevitable issue of the PA title. Many PAs, likely due to our historical origin, are just fine with our current title and feel that we simply need to market it better.  This author contends that it is difficult, if not impossible, to market a lie. PAs do not assist physicians in their job duties. PAs perform the same job duties as physicians. The name is an oxymoron that creates confusion due to the fact that in no other profession does a subordinate do the actual job of the senior. Much research has concluded that PAs substitute for the physician in 85% of primary care tasks and produce the same productivity outputs as physicians in outpatient settings. The 15% difference likely has much to do with legislatively mandated restrictions on experienced primary care PAs.

PAs make medical treatment decisions for millions of patients per year. We perform in all levels of healthcare management, including medical director, chief medical officer, clinic owner, and CEO. PAs need to acknowledge our professional abilities, acknowledge that the name hurts advancements, acknowledge our excellent training, and advocate for a name change. PAs need to grasp the seriousness of how the PA title has hindered forward progression in states such as Ohio, Florida, and many others.

Moving Forward

What then is to become of the PA profession? Only time will tell, but the likely outcome is that the PA profession will steadily become less favored in the healthcare marketplace. This may very well lead to the extinction of the PA profession. Will this happen in ten years? Given the above market forces, this is a conceivable outcome. What an interesting path it would be to go from number one to not at all. Changing healthcare preferences for one provider type over another can affect which occupations are employed in an industry. The good news is that PAs have not been pushed out of all job markets yet and several states are making headway with legislation.

There is a real foreseeable danger of being forced out of the profession when employment challenges and professional competition becomes fierce. My job search prior to the pandemic showcases this. The solution of moving to a PA friendly state or changing medical specialties may not be an option for everyone, as was the case for me. If any of this speaks to you, I suggest joining the effort for reform

Nicole Mason, DMSc, PA-C, Psychiatry CAQ
Nicole Mason, DMSc, PA-C, Psychiatry CAQ

Dr. Mason graduated from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign with a Chemistry degree and the highest distinction in the curriculum. She then went on to graduate from Midwestern University’s Physician Assistant program where she completed a Master’s project on the concept of international PAs, leading her to receive that year’s Master’s Project Award. Upon completion, she transitioned into primary care medicine and has remained in the primary care field for the last fourteen years. Dr. Mason holds a Doctorate in Medical Science from the University of Lynchburg. She is a member of AAPA and the Oklahoma Academy of Physician Assistants.
Dr. Mason is also the co-founder and current president of the Academy of Doctoral PAs. To find out more about this important organization, please check out their website


  1. Rose Williams DMSc, PA-C

    Exquisitely written! I concur. I decided to obtain my Doctorate degree to propel the profession forward. I intend to join forces and will be legislating for the profession on a state level.

    • As a 23+ year, very skilled and experienced clinician, who owns a small start up, has earned an MBA, speaks Spanish, and has had a successful career thus far, I agree the PA profession has a (slightly) better chance of survival if PA programs quickly catch up to most (if not all) the allied health fields to award Doctorate degrees, practicing PA’s earn a “Doctor” degree, AND the profession pivots to follow Yale’s foresight to award their graduates a “Physician Associate” degree and UK medical schools awarding their graduate students a “MSc in Physician Associate studies”. Despite the PA profession resting on an early advantage of didactic and clinical training under the MEDICAL model, the paying patient’s perception (title and use of “Doctor”), individual state medical legislation, and most importantly- fiscal practicality, will usually trump raw intellect, skill, and (I hesitate to say) ….experience.

  2. Christopher Bradley

    Excellent read, I highly agree with your perspective. Thank you for this article. A Lot of remote jobs are hyperfocusing on NPs and leaving out PA’s due to the need of supervision. I would love to seen more PA’s come together to grow this profession in the appropriate path needed. Christopher Bradley DMS-c, PA-c, psychiatry

  3. Timothy Lassiter, DMSc, PA-C

    Very well written and could not be more pertinent to what our profession is going through right now. Unfortunately, I do not see anything actually happening in our professional organizations. I support my state PA organization as well as AAPA, and in 15 years almost nothing has been actually accomplished to put us on more even footing with NP’s. They can go to school online, do not have to recertify and can practice independently. A new graduate NP in my state can literally open their own practice where as a PA with years of experience and more comprehensive medical training can never work independent of a physician. I would love advice as to how I can do more to promote our profession, but it is more than a little demoralizing when watching the same arguments and debates for the last 15 years has produced almost no results.

  4. Leticia Camacho-Stovern

    Very well written…yet so frightening! I have been a PA for over 25 years and plan to continue practicing for at least another 15-20 years. The thought of our profession becoming a thing of the past is so disheartening. I know this is happening but how can I get involved with the legislature? Besides joining my state PA organizations…what else can I do personally? How can we make this a movement?

    • Great question! While we may need an entire article on the topic, here are a few general suggestions:
      -Join AAPA
      -Join your state chapter
      -Donate to AAPA’s PA PAC
      -Donate to state PA PAC (if available)
      -Be active in these organizations–Volunteer your time and serve
      -Identify and write your state legislators
      -Identify and write your federal legislators
      -Write an editorial or opinion piece for your local or regional newspaper
      -Write for us!
      -Be active on social media and fight misinformation by well-meaning but misguided physician groups
      -Be active on social media to rally your peers
      -Encourage co-workers to join the appropriate organizations
      -Get familiar with your state medical society and be on the lookout for proposed legislation that might impact PAs
      -If you live in an FPA state for NPs, connect with their leadership for guidance and work together if possible.
      -Don’t give up! It’s easy to get burned out or disillusioned, so pace yourself and keep going!

  5. Mousumi Dey

    Thank you Dr. Mason for your excellent analysis regarding the current and the future of the PA profession and how we are facing stiff competition from the NPs. My husband and I are both PAs and practice in GI and ENT respectively. My husband recently resigned from his job though he had been performing exceptionally well because the organization was not able to hire a permanent supervising physician. Instead, they hired a NP who had much less skill and knowledge than him. Fortunately my husband immediately received several offers in and out-of -state but he could no join the out- of -state jobs because of the time it would take for him to obtain the license. We soon realized why he had so many offers – that is because the physicians had tried to train NPs but because of their paucity of knowledge and skill they ultimately realized that it would be beneficial to hire a knowledgeable, experienced and skilled PA over an NP. We are now both in the process of completing the DMSc program from AT Still University and looking forward to joining this fight to making our profession of not only equal but of better standing than the NPs in every way.

  6. Excellent read, well presented (the best presented argument in our never-ending industry struggle). Moreover, I highly agree with your perspective personally and professionally. After 32 years as a practicing PA, I kind of foresaw this potential demise of our profession back in 1992 with the PA name game then and ever since. Remain9ing a “Brandless” profession has been costly…if not the final nail in the coffin…hopefully I am wrong. Sadly we’re beyond turf battles…our apathy…the professional misinformation/disinformation based on our PA moniker has become too deeply rooted along with the tone deaf stance from our leaders & organizations may be too much to overcome.

    I tried to raise these concerns of our future trajectory in the marketplace among many colleagues, but time after time I was chastised among my peers by being the prophet of doom and gloom, especially with the proliferation of NP/PA programs. But as my grandmother used to say: no one is a prophet in their own land”! Yet, I remain hopeful that we can overcome this crisis with aggressive educational marketing and finally getting the branding we deserve.

  7. Amanda

    Thank you. I am seeing this being a new grad, tons of NP jobs and no one will look at a new PA grad. That is why I am going to take action with my state organization here in FL.

  8. This is the most informative and contemporary excellent article that I have read on the future of the PA profession. Some words are almost prophetic and we acknowledge from history that many of the hearers of a special message close their ears and are unconcerned. Unless we as PAs open our ears to the realities and open our eyes to what is displayed so vividly, we will fall short of our purported image forever.

  9. Jefferson DuHale

    Great article and VERY TRUE.. I’m not a PA, but from the outside looking in, here is my 2 cents:
    1. NP school is easier to get into and manage. NP students can do almost their entire program online and some can be done in 18 months. When will PA schools catch up to that?
    2. Your article cites the fact that studies have shown that the outcomes are the same for NPs, PAs and MDs. So any argument that the standard PA education methodology is better can be readily dismissed. Since strong biochemistry, organic chemistry, and MCAT scores don’t seem to be predictors of patient outcomes why place so much emphasis on them in a PA program. This is another area that NPs are killing PAs, professionally speaking.

    I agree with the name change- I’ve know people who flat out state they don’t want to see ‘an assistant’. I get the history and respect how the PA profession grew, but it has to change.

  10. Wayne

    I am a pre-PA student currently accepted and planning on beginning PA school this coming summer. I am 24 and recently completed my undergraduate degree. Reading this article, and some other similar-minded pieces, has got me doubting my decision to pursue a career as a PA. I have not paid tuition yet and would only lose out on my seat reservation deposit. Would you recommend I pursue a different path?

    • This is a precarious time to be pursuing a career as a PA. It depends on what state you’re practicing in and what type of work you want to find yourself doing. NPs are not trained as well but have much more freedom in how they practice. Medical school is still the best way to go if you’re looking for a combination of training and flexibility. If you choose PA, make sure you know what your limitations will be and what’s on the horizon.

  11. I must admit, I was in your shoes 33 years ago when I when to PA school. Sure things have change a great deal in the marketplace for us since then.
    I also agree with the prior comments 100%—they are right on point. I guess while you could argue many things regarding this decision ( which naturally is not an easy one), I must say try to project the “RETURN OF INVESTMENT” of the decision sort-of-speak.. In other words employ a “SWOT” ( Strenghts /Weaknesses/Opportunities/threats) a model of strategic planning and thinking in the business world, yet certainly applicable for any walk of life when it comes to decision making in anyone’s life…try it. I personally think is very helpful deciding or arriving at any final decision that you will make. Is like taking a phot, you see the big picture while looking at the details simultaneously.

    The other side of the coin is that in the worst case scenario you can always use the PA training/background/skill set to springboard into other alternative careers. For example, teaching, consulting , biomedical writing and so for.. As my retirement horizon approaches, I have already developed these side niches which will help to transition from clinical medicine nicely. Naturally, no one has to wait to retirement to do this ,but what I am getting at is that the possibilities are endless. Many PAs are becoming entepreteneurs in their own right.

    As they say follow your heart even though is a big financial decision. Good luck in your personal and professional endeavors.
    feel free to privately e-mail me if desire to continue this chat @

  12. Leslie Byrne FNP-C

    I am an NP who has always admired and respected PAs for their wealth of knowledge and competence. I enjoy attending my local PA conference in NC periodically. I had no idea these were issues for PAs! I wish you all success in your endeavors to continue to allow the Healthcare professions and the patients you serve to continue to see your value for decades to come.

  13. Ann Wendorf

    I am an NP and was happily onboard with your analysis and stance, until I read the comments and realized this had degraded to the tiring approach of mudslinging regarding which role is better ( better prepared, better educated, etc). There is little value in this and does nothing to propel either profession forward. We should choose not to participate in eroding other professions, to appear taller in our own. *sigh*

      • Bano


        I have been to both medical school and PA school, graduated from the best medical school from another country, then I got 2 years of credit in to PA school.

        I have been an ER PA for the last 20 years with my ER – CAQ board certification plus have my extensive experience of Cardiology including interventional and general cardiology, Hospitalist, Inpatient emergency Medical officer , dermatology, then did my fellowship in nephrology / dialysis and currently I am Assist Physician in nephrology and PA in ER.
        I can assure all PAs and Physicians that there is NO difference between Medical school and PA school curriculum, exactly the mirror image of each other based on evidence based Allopathic Medicine.
        The only difference is when After graduation PAs get their training at the job and the MD graduates get in to residency programs.
        After 2-3 years of job training any PA is equivalent to their MD counterparts.
        Unfortunately MDs due to their insecurities always oppress PAs as a profession which is not Only bad and ugly politics but is a professional dishonesty towards PA profession.
        First of all the name PA must and should be immediately changed bc this name is an insult and derogatory to what PAs actually are capable of. Physicians slap PAs by twisting this name to satisfy their own insecurities and treat PAs ad their personal assistants by suppressing their scope.
        Every physician twists PAs to his/ her own needs which shouldn’t be.
        PAs are trained as Generalists and they should be called Doctor of General Medicine ( DGM) and then those PAs who are in surgery should add surgery after DGM as ( DGMS).
        Doctor is a health care professional who diagnoses and treats the patients and hence called doctor by the society. It has been like that since centuries. PAs were fast paced doctors during WW2.
        PAs should and must be independent without having any co-signature of the physicians.
        PAs should have residency training for 3-4 years after graduation, then boards examinations and they should be full fledge doctors in the health care market as DGM or DGMS without any restrictions just like DOs achieved.
        PAs need to be evolved, enough is enough.
        NPs are just advanced care nurses, they are trained differently. They do few online researches and few scattered out patient office shadowings with physicians in a v unstructured way.
        But PA schools are just like medical schools, highly structured with exactly the similar training and curriculum of Allopathic medicine.
        AAPA should and must promote only PAs, leave NPs alone, they have their own nursing body to protect their rights.
        AAPA should promote PAs, not NPS…
        PA profession and career is as important as MD and DO, to say that PA are not competent enough to carry ER duties and to replace ED PAs with MDs/ DOs only is not only attack on a very refined profession but it is an open violation of PAs right to sabotage an established medical profession and to violate our patients rights to rip them off of the best health care professionals who have proven time and time how well liked they are.

        NPs and MDs harrass PAs with such a barrage of attacks that is considered an open attack on all the PAs.
        I am seriously thinking about suing all those who are violating my profession in such a derogatory way, in such an offensive way, in such a brutal way… I can utter the similar attacks on others profession. My profession is my bread and butter just like your profession is your bread and butter.
        Who are you to choke my great profession.
        I will blame APPA, NCCPA and all PAs to take such insults happily without being United against such attacks.
        If we are all United, no one will even look down on our profession.
        We let them and we don’t respect our profession, how could we expect others will respect us.
        Now, AAPA is lumping PAs and NPs together??? Why?? Stop, NPs are not your responsibility, they have better organized community to protect their profession.
        This is the time to get evolved in to independent profession…this is the time to counterattack by being United and by taking the full responsibility of our patients without involving anyone else as a co-signer.
        Come on we are not stupid, we are more intelligent and competent to stand up on our own…
        Don’t tell me, we are not physicians and that we should go to Medical school… stop this useless illogical notion.
        This is the time to come out and don’t be scared to stand on your own.
        Our profession is the best of all the medical professions… just get evolved.
        Even water gets spoilt by being stagnant, PA profession needs complete evolvement without being stagnant…
        stagnant makes matter rotten, inertia makes matter fresh, active and refined…..
        Come out of this mental block that we are some low level or mid level or some advanced level third rated professionals.
        Take full responsibility of your patients, be independent, change the name and get your profession in your hand before it is too late.
        Wake up before this profession becomes EXTINCT.

      • As a 23 year veteran PA with formal and informal training in General Surgery, Emergency Medicine, Internal Medicine, Physical Medicine, Family Medicine (very different scope of practice compared to IM), and Integrative Medicine, I have realized one important fact: Patient’s judge clinicians very differently than the formal “leaders” of the Allopathic medical community. Though I have criticized by MD’s while working in the ED “I see your pretending to be a doctor again…”, I firmly believe the average patient is not interested in how much the physician/PA/NP knows until they KNOW you care. Even early on in my career in FP, patients gravitated and even migrated to me FROM the MD despite my naivete. Why? Well when the question was posed by the puzzled 2 angry MD why they chose me (“the assistant, who did not go to medical school”) over their long time “real doctor” and why patient called me doctor despite being reprimanded for using an incorrect title, the patient responded “because he solves and explains things to me, treats me well, and always takes good care my family-we want doctor Albert to be OUR doctor!” (tears of fear, hurt, and frustration are visible to the medical assistant who reported this observation—2 weeks prior to my notice of resignation…)

        • What a cool experience, Albert!

          We have had similar experiences. Why does this happen? Why do some patients prefer PAs to MDs? What is it about being a PA that causes us to approach things differently?

          I think you nailed some of the answers… Humility. We know we don’t know it all and that shows. As a result, the PAs I know are often more motivated to find the correct answer instead of downplaying, deferring, or referring. Perhaps some PAs put forth an extra effort to serve and care for the patient, knowing we are starting from somewhat of a disadvantage. Maybe PAs aren’t quite as burned out as MDs given our condensed training times?

          No profession has a corner on compassion but these are not uncommon experiences.

  14. Marcos A. Vargas, MSHA, PA-C

    For the supporters of our Profession:

    Thank you…is nice to know that our kindred professional colleagues understand our situation.

    Marcos A. Vargas, MSHA, PA-C

  15. Passion for your craft and compassion for your fellow man/woman are unfortunately not teachable attributes. Fortunately most PA’s I’ve meet have both, at least early on in their career…..After 24 years of practice, (recent 10 in surgery), the contagious enthusiasm of a recent graduate APRN I’m mentoring, has surprisingly rekindled my dormant passion for practicing medicine!

  16. Jb

    I disagree that it’s “mudslinging” to discuss the differences in training. There are profound differences. I use an analogy of 2 NPs In my workplace. We all are perceived to be able to do the same thing – urgent care, emergencies, sew, intubate, recognize a hot belly or an MI. We biopsy, cut, etc.

    NP 1 became an RN because a brother in law said they make great money more than his plumbing gig offered. This is awesome. But here was his training. He went to a commercial nursing program here in the valley. Not a college- but he did have a generic degree already. Then he went online straight to an np program. Did it online except his 500 hour internship. In his uncles family medicine office is where he did that. All of it. No ER or critical care. No inpatient. No surgical suite and first assistant like PAs do. No urgent care even. Did not know how to even stain an eye to look for corneal abrasions.

    BUT he was hired under the premise he was like us PAs ……emergency and urgent care ready. Able to do procedures etc. he had no skills. Because he never trained. Nps of course like this as it makes their schooling much simpler and they get out, get given independence status and off you go thus you it’s mudslinging

    I am highlighting the absurdity of nps getting independent status all over while PAs …. and we can argue all night who’s better trained ..are felt to be tied down to a doc. And we are losing jobs. If the urgent care doesn’t need a doc on staff then they’ve realized just hire nps.

    Can’t hire PAs unless they have a “ babysitter”. Going off hours PAs are better and more diversely across the disciplines trained

  17. Terrel Armstrong, pre-PA student

    Hi there,

    Could you give sources for some uncited things you said?
    E.g.: “A 2018 study showing that employment of specialty NPs grew at a 13% faster…”

    I’m pre-PA and very interested in the direction healthcare is headed. Especially after the pandemic, the work-from-home revolution, telemedicine, potentially more federal standardization of practice laws.


    It has been with great interest that I read this intriguing and informative article by Dr. Mason. And the many comments were also revealing. Although I am not a PA, I can greatly sympathize with the struggles of this profession.
    This might not be the proper forum to comment about NPs and their education, but since it was brought up in the comments, I felt I might chime in. I am a Nurse Practitioner. It is easy to make broad generalizations about either profession based on anecdotal incidents, but these types of generalizations usually lack true validity. However, I need to say that some of us “old school” NPs also are not happy with the direction of current NP training and specifically the DNP degree. You see, I have been a Nurse Practitioner for over 26 years…trained at Wayne State University in the old “brick and mortar” model. I spent over 3 years getting my Masters degree as an Adult Nurse Practitioner, studying side by side with medical students at times. The University’s “over emphasis” on didactic training could only be correlated to the many hours of on-site clinical practice in the likes of Detroit Receiving Hospital.
    I have worked as a Nurse Practitioner for over 26 years and will be retiring in a few months. My jobs have been varied from Cardiology, working in the office and managing ICU patients. I have also worked in a small primary care clinic, and was also the Medical Director for a large detention center with over 900 inmates. Currently, for the last 15 years I have been the hospitalist at a fairly large inpatient psychiatric facility.
    I have worked side by side with PAs and have enjoyed the camaraderie.
    I fear for the “dumbing down” of my profession, and I also fear for my colleagues in the PA profession.
    God Speed.

    • Daniel, thank you for the thoughtful comment. We’ll be the first to say that no degree automatically confers competency and compassion. We’ll also defend the fact that excellent clinicians can and do come out of PA and NP programs alike (no med school required). It sounds like you’ve touched many lives over your long career. Thank you for your service and for your collegiality.

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